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greetings and salutations and welcome

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old friends and new uh to truth seekers

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tonight my friends is a special event

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for us

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every once in a while my friends this

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webcam and this microphone give me a

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passport

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a method for connecting with some

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incredible people

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and tonight is one of those nights

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i'm pleased and delighted and uh to tell

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you that tonight we have a very special

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guest in the form of whitley strieber

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whitley strieber of course is best known

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uh for

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his horror novels which i grew up

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reading both the wolfen and the hunger

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i read growing up and of course for his

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uh seminal work communion a non-fiction

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account of his

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experiences with non-human entities

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he has maintained actually

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a dual career of sorts as an author of

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fiction and also as an advocate for

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these paranormal concepts alien

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experiencers he has been a fixture in

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the ufo community and the world of

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aliens

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and for decades now

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uh let's all welcome mr whitley strieber

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welcome sir glad to have you here well

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i'm glad to be here uh i'm always

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glad to do these and um

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i'm looking forward to it

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yes and i thought we would start

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forgive me but most of my audience here

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i'm sure is very familiar with your

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original account and i'm sure most of my

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audience has read your book it sold two

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million copies it was a huge phenomenon

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at the time that that it came out i

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remember it was all over popular culture

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it was on news shows and talk shows and

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about this book i had to get it and read

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it and was sort of blown away by

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the whole experience that you had but i

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wanted to ask you given that i don't

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know if you know this but today is

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actually christopher walken's 79th

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birthday and i've never heard you i

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thought it was 179th

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but i've never heard you talk about it

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and i wanted to to know what did it feel

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like when you found out first that they

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were going to make a movie about your

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incredible experiences and then

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the movie was going to be the legendary

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once before on the stage in sweet bird

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effects and this and that and the usual

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that chris's idea of me being a

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of time or your perception you know

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do you hear what's that noise i'm sorry

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apologize i shouldn't need it

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which has happened when i'm on on the on

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my show that i'm always concerned

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cats were curled up on the floor like

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sadie had purple tumors in both of her

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eyes and she was in agony and she had to

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a game

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sure it was done it happened because she

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touched her nose to it she was curious

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curious too so don't touch your nose

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attention that we were all three

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myself

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i should have put my family first before

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my curiosity and just turned away from

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this entirely

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because you know i was a novelist as

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well i had never written another book

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like this and said except communion

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it would have been forgotten and

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i would have gone down another path

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and yeah you know that that leads me to

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one of my other questions that i had for

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you because i i started rereading the

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book and and and i recently watched the

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movie and it seems like you took a turn

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at a pivotal pivotal point from fearing

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the experiences or trying to figure them

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out to actually embracing even inviting

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them

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yeah and i would think i would think for

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most people these kind of experiences

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terrifying but there but there is a part

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in the book and movie i feel where you

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you you invited them you went looking

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for them right to try to figure out what

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lady on the cover of communion i mean i

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presume it's the same being it could

289
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have been a different one

290
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fell in love with us and

291
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uh with the family and started

292
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practically living in the house she was

293
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around all the time

294
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and give you an idea of what that was

295
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like

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my son once brought he we used to have

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kids up to the house and we had told all

298
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the parents it wasn't a secret that this

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was real and it was happening

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and so uh

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we

302
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would have friends and he had a friend

303
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up

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who

305
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she would sort of half wake me up you

306
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were never normal around her it was not

307
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like you never

308
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sat across a table from her and chatted

309
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it was not like that

310
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but

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you know you were definitely in an

312
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altered state and i i saw her

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beside the bed and i i couldn't move but

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she had

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let me backtrack a second the boy

316
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had as a child a little child they were

317
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about eight or nine at the 10 at this

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point

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had um

320
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stuck his tongue in a light socket and

321
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had a big scar

322
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on his mouth and

323
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uh then suddenly there she is at the

324
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bedside with this

325
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smoke pouring out of her mouth and

326
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she's making these very

327
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upset kind of tweeting noises and stuff

328
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and then she went away and didn't come

329
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back and i was used to it i mean she was

330
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around all the time and and

331
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finally i just went back to sleep but

332
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what i didn't know was

333
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she had

334
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been standing outside the bedroom of the

335
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boy's bedroom with the door cracked open

336
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and she had

337
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three long fingers that were like that

338
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could move like snakes and had black

339
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claws on the end of them and another

340
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shorter one i guess was worked as an

341
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opposing thumb like this

342
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and uh

343
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like it was like this and

344
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um

345
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but many knuckles i mean unless they

346
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were actually

347
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not even didn't even have bone in them i

348
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don't know

349
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so

350
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what she'd been doing

351
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was sticking two of these fingers

352
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through the in the door

353
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and

354
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the guest bedroom bed was right across

355
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the hall from the

356
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bedroom from the door

357
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my son's bedroom was off in the corner

358
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so he didn't experience this

359
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and when we got up in the morning the i

360
00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:29,440
didn't know this had happened the boy

361
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said

362
00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:33,759
mr strieber these claws kept coming in

363
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scratching on the door all night

364
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i said oh really

365
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:39,519
yeah was that an alien

366
00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:42,560
i said well uh were you dreaming

367
00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:45,519
no sir he said i was not dreaming

368
00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,600
and i said well then maybe it was

369
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:49,199
because you know we they do come around

370
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:51,279
here i told your folks about that

371
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:53,199
he said mr streber i would like to go

372
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:54,880
home now

373
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:57,839
and so we took him home he

374
00:16:01,990 --> 00:16:00,240
never saw

375
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:02,000
him again that was the end of the

376
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relationship

377
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:05,120
wow yeah i don't think i would go back

378
00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:05,920
either

379
00:16:10,550 --> 00:16:08,240
mr d.b cooper is in the live chat with a

380
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uh contribution to our show and says i

381
00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:12,160
always thought it was genius that you

382
00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:13,839
asked to smell them i would have done

383
00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:16,560
the same so can you tell me what what

384
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:18,320
yeah prompted you to smell them and what

385
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:22,399
do they smell like well okay um they've

386
00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:24,639
smelled different ways obviously i've

387
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:26,240
tried i've tried that more than once and

388
00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:27,839
the reason is

389
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:29,920
i'm very aware of the

390
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:32,639
the more senses you engage

391
00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:34,720
the more chance you have

392
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:38,079
of having a coherent memory yeah the

393
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,600
more the more sensitive that's

394
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,279
scientifically proven fact the more

395
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:42,959
senses are involved in the memory the

396
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:45,440
greater the strength of the memory i was

397
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,639
seeing something i was hearing it

398
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:50,720
i was being touched

399
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:52,800
and i wanted my sense of smell to also

400
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:54,160
be engaged

401
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,800
and uh the first the night in the the

402
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:58,240
one in uh

403
00:17:03,269 --> 00:16:59,920
in um

404
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:03,279
december of 85 which i remembered

405
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:05,839
quite i mean i was conscious during that

406
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:07,120
experience

407
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:09,679
i wanted to smell i said let me smell

408
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:12,400
your hand and one of them had these big

409
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,039
blue gloves on and put his hand up

410
00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:17,679
against my nose and as i recall it

411
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:20,480
smelled sort of cinnamony and earthy

412
00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:22,799
maybe a little bit of skin like like but

413
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:24,400
another time

414
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:25,679
when these

415
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,000
entities that were invisible were trying

416
00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:30,640
to meditate with me at the cabin

417
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:32,320
and i finally couldn't do it because you

418
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:33,360
know you

419
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:38,230
try meditating in a room full of

420
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,000
invisible people

421
00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:42,720
who are almost i mean they're invisible

422
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:44,640
but they you can hear them breathing and

423
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:46,400
moving around it's not like

424
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:48,480
it's not like ghosts or anything yeah

425
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,640
that's gonna be hard to do

426
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:52,799
so i said the first night they showed up

427
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:53,919
i said look

428
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:56,080
i can't see you but i know perfectly

429
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:57,840
well you're in the room

430
00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:00,400
and i am going to

431
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:02,000
leave the room if i can't see you

432
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:03,440
because there's no point in me staying

433
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,840
here i can't meditate like this

434
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:07,520
so nothing happened and i said okay well

435
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,880
i'm going to bed and i went to bed

436
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:12,640
and in the middle of the night

437
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:15,039
there came a bang bang on my shoulder

438
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,880
which was very familiar

439
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:18,240
that the the

440
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:19,200
they would

441
00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:21,039
pop on my shoulder when they wanted me

442
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:23,440
to wake up in those days i was really we

443
00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:25,120
were really very close to them at that

444
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:26,799
cabin

445
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,200
and so what i see is sitting on the foot

446
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:31,760
of the bed is a man a perfectly ordinary

447
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:34,640
man although he's wearing a tunic not

448
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:36,240
our kind of clothing

449
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:38,960
he's very still he's sitting with his

450
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:41,120
back against the footboard

451
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:42,720
very still

452
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:44,880
and i think to myself he

453
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:47,120
it's there's he's doing it whoever was

454
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:49,039
in there is showing me what he looks

455
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,840
like

456
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:51,440
so i go down to the foot of the bed and

457
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:53,600
i'm like this far from him you know i'm

458
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:55,919
like looking right at him i can see his

459
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:58,160
face it's a

460
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,280
not

461
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:01,919
it it would look like a

462
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,679
it was a human face let me put it that

463
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:05,760
way and um

464
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:06,720
uh

465
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:08,960
and his hands are lying on his

466
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,760
on his on his uh

467
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:13,600
uh

468
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,799
knees

469
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:15,919
and

470
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,880
so okay i can see

471
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,799
i can't hear anything

472
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,400
there's no touch

473
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:24,640
i don't know how i can generate anything

474
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:25,919
involving my

475
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:29,280
hearing i said hello but he was just

476
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,360
totally still and silent

477
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,200
so i took his hand

478
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:35,600
therefore i now get engaging touch as

479
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,799
well

480
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:39,039
i smelled the back of his hand

481
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,880
rifted it to my nose and smelled it to

482
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,480
try to smell his skin

483
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,480
and the guy's skin was bright i mean

484
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:46,400
this was not somebody who bathed anytime

485
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:48,160
recently if it ever

486
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:50,799
and it shocked me that he said thanks so

487
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,840
badly oh wow so this one's stuck i never

488
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:55,600
dropped his hand

489
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,720
and he he immediately just disappeared

490
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,480
and and i think it was because it was

491
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:02,960
taking him from whatever he was or

492
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:04,640
wherever he was from

493
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:07,520
it was taking a lot of concentration to

494
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,200
remain visible in our sphere of reality

495
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,200
and when i did that suddenly it broke

496
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:15,679
his concentration and he was gone

497
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:16,400
but

498
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:19,440
those are two instances and both times

499
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,919
the sense of smell did help

500
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:23,600
that said

501
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:27,520
temporal lobe epilepsy is characterized

502
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:31,360
by strong scents and odors are part of

503
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,280
the temporal lobe hallucinatory

504
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,720
spectrum

505
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:38,159
however

506
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,200
i

507
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:42,240
had already been so carefully tested for

508
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,679
this illness

509
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,280
which was during the period of time i

510
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:47,440
was trying to explain this away i did

511
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,320
not want to have to conclude that i had

512
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,640
been diddled with by goddamn aliens i

513
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,919
mean come on

514
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,679
yeah that's that's a little hard to take

515
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:57,840
yeah it happened i wasn't

516
00:21:01,190 --> 00:21:00,159
i wasn't in this whole crazy world at

517
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:01,200
all

518
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:02,960
so uh

519
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:05,760
that was one of the first tests i i ran

520
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,880
on myself

521
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,559
i got a doctor obviously as a

522
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,360
neurologist to run it and i was not only

523
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:13,360
did i not have temporal lobe epilepsy i

524
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:16,640
had an ex an exceptionally stable brain

525
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,720
that could stand up to a lot of a lot of

526
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:23,120
challenge because the the way that the

527
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,840
way the test works is they put leads up

528
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:27,120
your nose

529
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,320
uh

530
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,240
so that they can get electrical signals

531
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:32,320
directly from the temporal lobe

532
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,760
and then they they challenge your mind

533
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,840
your brain with different types of

534
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,520
flashing light

535
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,880
and

536
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,559
my brain remains stable through the

537
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,559
whole challenge so it was obviously not

538
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,559
that that was not my ill

539
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,799
illness not in my issue and i already

540
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,120
knew that when this happened

541
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:53,039
yeah dorothy hawkins is here and says

542
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,240
thanks for paving the way for

543
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,320
experiencers mr strieber communion

544
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,640
opened so many eyes and then we had a

545
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:00,880
question from annie kurtz did you have

546
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,720
any emotions that you recall during the

547
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:03,919
encounters

548
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,400
examples love hate gratitude fear

549
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:10,320
all of the above but i was going to say

550
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,760
that yeah

551
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:13,919
the i was

552
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,880
the december 1985 experience was

553
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,320
terrifying

554
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,799
and and it had been i'd been scared of

555
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,120
this for a long time before i think they

556
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:25,280
started coming in the summer before that

557
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,039
because that was when i became obsessed

558
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,080
with getting a shotgun i was i was

559
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,240
marching around the house with a shotgun

560
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:35,520
i had an alarm systems installed i got a

561
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,559
pistol i mean i'm a texan texan feels

562
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,320
threatened he's gone yeah you're gonna

563
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,240
shoot those aliens right

564
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,000
i mean that's my first thought it wasn't

565
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:46,559
just any shotgun it was a benelli riot

566
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,159
it was a big old mother and a big a shot

567
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,240
riot gun that i had loaded with slugs

568
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,200
and i knew how to how to shoot a shotgun

569
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,280
with slugs in it very effectively i

570
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,360
could have disabled a car with that

571
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,600
shotgun very easily yeah that's a big

572
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,799
gun yeah it's a big gun and um

573
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:06,320
so uh

574
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,360
so

575
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,640
you know that was definitely there

576
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,919
and then

577
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:13,760
in october

578
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,480
it what happened in summer is

579
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,799
i would have this these nights these

580
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,640
very disturbed nights

581
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,080
and then during the day i would have

582
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:24,080
horrible headaches

583
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:25,600
and

584
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,559
the headaches were were from pushing

585
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,840
away

586
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,600
what was happening in the night and not

587
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,679
in refusing to face it

588
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,400
then finally it comes in october there

589
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,080
are other witnesses

590
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,400
annie gottlieb and jacques sandolescu

591
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,200
are there and they they have experiences

592
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:45,520
too and and me and ann and our boy did

593
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:46,480
as well

594
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,200
so

595
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,760
surface

596
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,200
at that point i know there's something

597
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:53,679
weird going on all right

598
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,720
i think so yeah then december comes and

599
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,039
it bursts out into my mind my

600
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:02,000
consciousness i'm beat up i've been

601
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:03,520
screwed in the butt

602
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:07,360
i've been had a a needle go in my head

603
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,559
and

604
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:10,080
so uh

605
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,200
i know

606
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,640
that something

607
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,799
has happened to me in december

608
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:16,240
my first thought is that i've been

609
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,440
screwed with you know because of you

610
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,360
know i'm an author and there's always

611
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,279
some nut who doesn't like something you

612
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:24,720
write

613
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,520
yeah

614
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,480
and so i thought that somebody had

615
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:30,400
gotten into the house and screwed with

616
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,120
me

617
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,679
in the night and that i had not that

618
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,400
that was and so i viewed it first as a

619
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,120
crime and only after

620
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,600
by i guess it was late february early

621
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,360
march when i finally faced the fact that

622
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,159
it had to have been a real experience

623
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,720
well you know i wanted to ask you about

624
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,720
one of the tantalizing things about your

625
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,559
story and many other experiences or

626
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,679
story

627
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,440
seems to be the lack of physical

628
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,360
evidence and it makes me wonder where

629
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,440
these real physical experiences or

630
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,520
perhaps this is also mental phenomenon

631
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:04,080
and not physical but in your book

632
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,039
solving the communion enigma uh you

633
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,360
wrote quote later that day i noticed a

634
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,679
sore lump at the top of my left ear from

635
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,919
time to time the ear would get red and

636
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,960
hot

637
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,400
and then you went to a doctor who

638
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:18,880
diagnosed uh probably benign cyst that

639
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,919
was fixed in the uh pinna of the ear

640
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,640
close to the top or the top part yeah so

641
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,480
i wanted to ask do you still feel like

642
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,799
that's an alien implant in your ear if

643
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,200
it's an alien implant i know i saw it i

644
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,559
saw the people who come into the room

645
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,080
who put it in and they were two human

646
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,400
beings a man and a woman

647
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,480
uh so

648
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,880
that's pretty straightforward i mean

649
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:43,600
you know they were i couldn't stop them

650
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,039
i tried to

651
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,880
and they had a doctor try to remove it

652
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,720
or somebody to study it because i know

653
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:50,799
you knew roger leer and did a book with

654
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,360
him as well i i did have a doctor try to

655
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,880
remove it

656
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,960
the videos on my website

657
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:59,279
and um oh interesting i did not know

658
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,080
that

659
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,720
it it yeah it's a huge website i got to

660
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,240
do something about the organization of

661
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,840
the darn thing there's a lot of info i

662
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,159
noticed i looked at it earlier there's a

663
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,080
lot of if there is a massive amount of

664
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:11,679
information by the way to those in the

665
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,440
live chat i put his website address into

666
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,000
the description of this video and as far

667
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,400
as his books all you have to do is

668
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:22,400
search his name on amazon whitley

669
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,000
strieber and uh there is so many books i

670
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:29,200
i did want to ask you uh about some of

671
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,480
your later experiences because

672
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:34,080
another book of yours that i found

673
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,679
fascinating was

674
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,320
uh hold on i'm going to share it here so

675
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,400
people get an idea of this

676
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,720
because your early experiences seems to

677
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,880
be all these

678
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,360
typical what people would call aliens

679
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:50,000
yeah but in this book the key a true

680
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,840
encounter you describe a very human-like

681
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,240
figure that came to you

682
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,360
and and i

683
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,520
my take from it is that this person just

684
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,600
came to you and started

685
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,520
teaching you some of the secrets of the

686
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:06,000
universe yeah that's what it seemed like

687
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,520
at the time i

688
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,600
i um

689
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:12,000
well what happened was i was in a in the

690
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:15,200
uh delta chelsea hotel in

691
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,159
um

692
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,080
toronto which may still be there for all

693
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,799
i know it was a 1998

694
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,200
and i did not know but it was the last

695
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:26,000
author tour i would ever do in my life

696
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,440
and

697
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,360
so i was uh

698
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,640
uh i had had dinner in the room

699
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,039
they come in late and had a restaurant

700
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,760
was closed so i had dinner in the room

701
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:39,840
and

702
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:42,880
i had closed my eyes

703
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:45,679
and there came a knock at the door

704
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:49,039
and i saw that the room service tray was

705
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,559
still on the desk

706
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,320
in the little desk in the and so i

707
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:54,399
assumed it was the waiter

708
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:55,600
and

709
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,520
he's not as tall as i am i mean i he i'm

710
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:03,200
six foot one and he must have been about

711
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,320
five eight

712
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,320
he was an older man and didn't look at

713
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,000
all threatening in other words you know

714
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,960
he there was no sense of it being a

715
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,840
uh

716
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,600
like like someone trying to muscle their

717
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:15,679
way into my room

718
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:16,399
but

719
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:17,360
i

720
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:24,399
one

721
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,880
get him out of here

722
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,240
because

723
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,399
if i don't get him out of here i'm gonna

724
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,200
be talking to this guy at two o'clock in

725
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:41,679
the morning i had now come to realize it

726
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,000
was much later than i thought and uh

727
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,080
that can't be good

728
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,559
right someone comes into your hotel room

729
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:51,840
where

730
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,880
you know they've had to work to find you

731
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,960
and it's two o'clock in the morning

732
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,159
yeah what are they doing there at that

733
00:29:02,549 --> 00:28:59,919
hour

734
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,559
hey no matter what

735
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,919
they say

736
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,000
this is going to be a problem

737
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,399
and he starts to talk

738
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,799
immediately turns around by the window

739
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,960
and starts talking to me

740
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,960
and

741
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,080
it's

742
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,000
quite

743
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,960
interesting a very unexpected

744
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,960
thing she started to say

745
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,720
and i got interested

746
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,880
i simply got interested and i i asked

747
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:29,520
him questions and it went off for about

748
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,070
went on for about

749
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,799
45 minutes or so

750
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,880
and then something happened that had

751
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,559
happened before during one of the

752
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,000
experiences

753
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,399
which is and this is the thing that's

754
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,840
one of the things that tells you that

755
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:50,000
this stuff is really

756
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:51,360
way

757
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,399
beyond where we are it just seems sort

758
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:58,320
of part of normal life when it's

759
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,360
happening

760
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:02,240
and that is that he gave me this glass

761
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:03,279
from the

762
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,559
bathroom

763
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,640
one of the hotel glasses that had a

764
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,559
white liquid in it and asked me to drink

765
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,399
it

766
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,640
now would you that's bizarre no i

767
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,080
wouldn't do it i remember this from the

768
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:16,720
book and i thought why is he why is he

769
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:20,240
just going okay bottoms up and drinking

770
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:23,840
no way would i do that but i did it

771
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,720
i didn't even think twice about it

772
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,520
because he had this under his control

773
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,960
obviously

774
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,960
so i drank it

775
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,120
and it was very bitter

776
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,679
and the the that happened

777
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,000
once before during uh

778
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,760
one of the close encounter experiences

779
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,640
that i had after i after the commute

780
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,240
i wrote communion

781
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,240
um i think i mentioned it in this next

782
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,320
book transformation

783
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,919
anyway

784
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:54,960
i immediately fell asleep

785
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,000
and when i woke up

786
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:00,080
the next morning the first thing in my

787
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,360
mind was

788
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,559
call anne and tell her this happened

789
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:06,880
because you know yourself very well you

790
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,440
are going to decide it never happened

791
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:11,519
by the end of today and it it is

792
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,559
important i take a note stephen

793
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:16,640
yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of

794
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,600
sort of uh philosophical it was like

795
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,600
this guy just showed up at your door and

796
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,120
then he dropped all of this

797
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,440
philosophical strange knowledge on you

798
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,000
this esoteric lessons of life and

799
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,399
beautiful poetic things

800
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,720
and the whole the book superstorm came

801
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,279
out of that meeting as much as it came

802
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,360
out of anywhere because he talked about

803
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,480
how ice ages end and stuff like that

804
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,440
history philosophy religion spirituality

805
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,120
right

806
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,919
it was amazing an amazing conversation

807
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,760
and uh

808
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,080
so i um

809
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,360
anyway

810
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,159
i i found out much later

811
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,440
what i drank i know what it is now

812
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:02,080
it is was called in

813
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:02,960
it

814
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,640
classical

815
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:11,200
ancient greece it was called the milk of

816
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:14,559
nepenthe the milk of of the goddess of

817
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,519
sleep

818
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,000
and it is a it is a

819
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:20,640
an it is an opium tincture

820
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,919
where it's right

821
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,120
and uh

822
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,679
that'll make you fall asleep it yeah

823
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,399
yeah and now now if this is also

824
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,399
high-tech

825
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,960
why are they using as a sleeping

826
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,960
something to put you to sleep

827
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,720
an opium

828
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:37,760
uh

829
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,159
concoction

830
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,320
has been known by mankind for thousands

831
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,480
of years probably to the ancient

832
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,559
egyptians even

833
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,240
see what i mean isn't it weird i mean

834
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,000
you know yeah there's a lot of there's a

835
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:53,120
lot of things in your books that i go

836
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,720
just to just to play the devil's

837
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:56,640
advocate you know some people are are

838
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,600
not really believing of your experiences

839
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,600
or or whatever but there's there's these

840
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,440
weird little details or things in some

841
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,960
of your books that

842
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,480
you know i would think that if somebody

843
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:08,320
was fabricating things

844
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,159
that would be out of place it doesn't

845
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:12,000
make sense that this happened or you

846
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:13,120
know

847
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,440
things i would make it more believable

848
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:19,279
yes and also to play the devil's

849
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:20,399
advocate

850
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,200
here's

851
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:24,080
and they are so far out there

852
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:25,279
a little bit

853
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,559
i am trying as hard as i can

854
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,039
to describe these experiences

855
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,519
accurately without regard

856
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:35,919
to what happens to me because you go you

857
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:38,640
go on wikipedia or any of those things

858
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,600
and you can find more trash talk about

859
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,840
me than you can you can believe

860
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:46,559
because people don't want this to be

861
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,600
like this

862
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:49,360
if it's exactly yeah

863
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,320
here

864
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,200
they basically want to trade

865
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,279
cool video games and go to the other

866
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,799
planet on a fancy saucer or something

867
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,279
that's what they really want

868
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:03,840
but this is bizarre

869
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,279
beyond belief it's incredibly intense

870
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:09,119
and once it gets into your life it does

871
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,639
not stop

872
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,720
you've got a lot of people in different

873
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,240
places in the government who believe

874
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,679
it's demonic

875
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,560
uh

876
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,909
you got a lot of people who think the

877
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,639
abductees are all crazy and that nothing

878
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,560
none of this has ever happened

879
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,399
and then i sit here

880
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,079
and i can reach up and touch that

881
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,639
implant anytime i want to and not only

882
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,320
that i know how it works and i know how

883
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:35,679
to use it

884
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:39,040
so and i use it in my work all the time

885
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,000
so

886
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,839
there you have it

887
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:42,800
crazy

888
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:51,909
again to be the devil's advocate one of

889
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,000
the other criticisms that i've heard of

890
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,159
you and i wouldn't be doing my job uh if

891
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,839
i didn't ask you about some of this

892
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,200
stuff so you know how many times i've

893
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,520
had this conversation i get it but

894
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,440
no i'm gonna get i'm gonna get i'm gonna

895
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,440
get a little bit personal but i'm on i

896
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,359
want you to know going into this this

897
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,599
question i'm on your side some people

898
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,160
have suggested that you

899
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,400
are all about money and you're all in

900
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,280
this for money and that every time you

901
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,960
need to write a new book suddenly you're

902
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,200
having new experiences and suddenly

903
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,960
there's a new book so this is all about

904
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:25,200
profiteering and money but i just wanted

905
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,800
to ask you

906
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:29,280
because you've had people underwood some

907
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,480
people aren't aware of this but you've

908
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:32,720
had two fiction books that were hugely

909
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:35,599
popular in the form of the hunger and

910
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:38,079
wolfen that were turned that were turned

911
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,040
into

912
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,359
uh hollywood movies you've had the

913
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,200
communion that was turned into a

914
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,480
hollywood movie

915
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:47,280
so yeah i i guess my when people say

916
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:49,760
that about you my mind goes to the fact

917
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,720
that you were already a wealthy man

918
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,079
wasn't that fair to say that you're

919
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,680
already a wealthy man before i just

920
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,560
started no hollywood movie deals though

921
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:01,760
right he went bankrupt in 1998

922
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:04,720
okay because you know the this criticism

923
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:05,359
is

924
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,200
believes about me

925
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,200
and uh

926
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,310
that was reflected in the decline and

927
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:20,880
eventual destruction of my career as a

928
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:23,839
on as an author i publish my own books

929
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,640
now

930
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,400
not because there's any conspiracy

931
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,720
against me but because publishers can't

932
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,200
sell them they don't sell

933
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,520
and they don't sell because the public

934
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:35,280
believes i'm a liar

935
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:38,560
and i have not succeeded

936
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:39,599
in

937
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,680
public because there is simply so much

938
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,400
resistance to the high strangeness and i

939
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,800
don't blame people for that at all

940
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,839
uh

941
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,280
my books

942
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,480
in in the in the early 90s and late late

943
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,839
80s

944
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,680
from um

945
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,920
from uh

946
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,000
my books made a lot of money

947
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:03,920
but then a million communion sold two

948
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,960
million copies that's a lot of kind

949
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,040
it still sells a few copies every year

950
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,599
but you know i get about 1500 a year

951
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,640
from it

952
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,480
but i was unable to hold on to that

953
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,720
money because it made

954
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,440
it you know it dried up too suddenly

955
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:23,040
you know we had a we we had the after i

956
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,320
believe it was the

957
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:26,079
book majestic

958
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,359
things just

959
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,640
cratered and there were no sales

960
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,200
and then the next thing we knew

961
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:36,000
we lost everything we lost the cabin we

962
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,599
lost everything we ended up in a little

963
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:40,480
condo in san antonio sorry to hear that

964
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:41,520
home

965
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:48,160
mother and she passed away and we ended

966
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,520
up living in it

967
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,000
and trying to keep our son in school

968
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,520
because he was in a private school and

969
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,440
we didn't want to move him

970
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,560
uh

971
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,599
and so it was really hard

972
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,440
and you know i made a little bit of

973
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,839
money then came the on the on super

974
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:05,599
storm

975
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,240
when it made a movie and

976
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,200
and that lasted us for a few years and

977
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:13,200
but it did it wasn't enough to stave off

978
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,800
the bankruptcy

979
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,440
and the loss of the cabin was

980
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,920
a terrible blow oh yeah

981
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,680
mr streeper i have a cabin that i've

982
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,280
been building by hand

983
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,760
for three years now and uh it would kill

984
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,320
me to lose it you know so i i feel for

985
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,880
you because that becomes like such a

986
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,440
mine has become like a family place you

987
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,839
know and and all these memories there so

988
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,680
yeah that had to be painful

989
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:38,560
and i

990
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,760
had learned techniques of

991
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:43,839
relating to the visitors that made it

992
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,800
very easy for them to materialize and

993
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,280
you know i was really doing something

994
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,079
remarkable at that cabin

995
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,839
if i had been able to stay there i may

996
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,760
have i don't know how far i would have

997
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:57,280
been able to go with it

998
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,680
but i was bringing two worlds together

999
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,640
in that in that space and not just in

1000
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,200
the cabin but in the area around it

1001
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:08,960
surrounding it yeah somebody was asking

1002
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:09,839
does

1003
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,359
mr d.b cooper was asking this is

1004
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,880
right to what you're talking about now

1005
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,960
do you believe that it was you

1006
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,440
or the isolated place that led to your

1007
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,200
contact

1008
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,720
uh

1009
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,800
the it's both

1010
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,280
it wasn't the isolation

1011
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,640
it was the geography i mean the geology

1012
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,280
excuse me of the area the cabin is

1013
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,760
situated on a seam of iron

1014
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,400
that runs from uh

1015
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:39,680
from

1016
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,400
runs all the way up uh

1017
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,240
the hudson valley

1018
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,640
to rosendale new york and then beyond

1019
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,400
that to woodstock

1020
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,640
and

1021
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,480
you can if you know

1022
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,839
how

1023
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,000
and i can't describe it it's it's like

1024
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,480
riding a bicycle you know why can you

1025
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,560
balance on a bicycle

1026
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,800
the answer is yeah that's an odd thing

1027
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,400
right and you never forget how to do it

1028
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,200
too that's another odd odd human thing

1029
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,520
on that bicycle and i could uh

1030
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,079
i could uh make

1031
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:14,000
a situation where they could kind of

1032
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:15,359
walk into our

1033
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:16,560
reality

1034
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:17,599
and it

1035
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,480
pretty easily and and when i say hey i

1036
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,920
don't know who they are

1037
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,480
i don't think of them as aliens because

1038
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,640
uh somehow or another

1039
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,480
someone who can suddenly appear in your

1040
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,560
bedroom out of nowhere doesn't strike me

1041
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,560
as having come from another planet

1042
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:34,240
they've come from another

1043
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,119
another

1044
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,800
relationship to

1045
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:39,119
reality but not necessarily another

1046
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,160
world

1047
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:41,680
so

1048
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,319
stephen off topic but can you please ask

1049
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,800
uh with the about the finders cult in

1050
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,040
mexico i'm writing a book on them god

1051
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,720
bless

1052
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:54,800
well there's a lot of

1053
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,520
i i

1054
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,359
did a little research into the founders

1055
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:01,440
cult years ago because i

1056
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,400
had

1057
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:04,800
i believe i was taken to

1058
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:05,070
to

1059
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,319
[Music]

1060
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:09,119
a place in mexico supposedly a school

1061
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:10,079
for

1062
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,430
monterey when i was about seven

1063
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,839
and it was not a good experience and

1064
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,079
when i happened upon the

1065
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,280
finders cult and saw that the children

1066
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,520
in who were found in the park in

1067
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,160
tallahassee what happened for those of

1068
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:32,000
you who don't know

1069
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,720
is

1070
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,520
they were um

1071
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,640
these sort of feral children were found

1072
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,839
noticed by

1073
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,160
people in this park

1074
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,079
in tallahassee florida and the people

1075
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,000
call the police because they couldn't

1076
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,240
understand what these dirty little kids

1077
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,040
were doing wandering around in this park

1078
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,720
and the children

1079
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,280
knew their names but they didn't seem to

1080
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,680
know anything else about themselves

1081
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,520
and but when the police got there and

1082
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,880
questioned them

1083
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,359
they said that they were uh

1084
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,880
from um

1085
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,040
they were going to a special school in

1086
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,440
mexico for bright children

1087
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,599
and this really attracted my attention

1088
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,000
because i thought to myself my god it's

1089
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,760
real and it was and it's still going on

1090
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,440
and um

1091
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,839
so i did a little bit of more research

1092
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,280
but

1093
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,000
my efforts to find

1094
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,000
such a place

1095
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:29,839
uh

1096
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,319
so you weren't able to reproduce it

1097
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,040
somewhere else i wasn't able to find any

1098
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,359
such place yeah lord ludacris has a

1099
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:39,119
great question actually that's related

1100
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,640
to what you're talking about right now

1101
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,599
he says

1102
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:43,440
has he spoken to the current owners of

1103
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,240
the cabin and if so uh do they have any

1104
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,720
experiences no they don't

1105
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,119
um you and you're not going to

1106
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,839
uh under you if i'm there if i'm there

1107
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,119
for a few days they're going to have

1108
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:56,720
experiences but not

1109
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,599
not not otherwise you have to be

1110
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,440
you know like they're not they're they

1111
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,520
don't have the genetic

1112
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,200
coding or whatever it is

1113
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,680
that the experiences have

1114
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,440
they're very sweet people they're lovely

1115
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,960
people in fact but they've never had

1116
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,760
anything like this and uh so do you

1117
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,319
believe some people are predisposed to

1118
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,040
to have these experiences or be more

1119
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,000
open to them and others that they are

1120
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,480
predisposed to it or they come to it in

1121
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,720
one way or another

1122
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,520
one of my father's brothers

1123
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:32,079
was involved in the roswell incident

1124
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,119
as an

1125
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,119
air force officer at right field when

1126
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:37,359
the debris was brought there

1127
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,240
and

1128
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:40,480
anyone will tell you in the experiencer

1129
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,040
groups that this goes down family lines

1130
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,680
and for whatever reason and maybe that's

1131
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,040
not the reason

1132
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,680
i ended up involved somehow when i was a

1133
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,040
child

1134
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,599
and um

1135
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,069
this involvement

1136
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,440
is

1137
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,240
well give you an idea

1138
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,400
you remember if you remember communion i

1139
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,160
i get very upset when they stick a

1140
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,480
needle in the side of my head

1141
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,880
understandable yeah well there's a part

1142
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,390
called the white matter which is

1143
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,440
which is

1144
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:21,599
which connects to executive function

1145
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:24,560
areas called the caudate and the putamen

1146
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,440
and

1147
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,640
it the more dense this white matter is

1148
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,880
some doctors have found

1149
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,920
uh

1150
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,240
the more sort of psychic

1151
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,560
egg uh

1152
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,480
experiences and so forth

1153
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,920
people have

1154
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,920
and so they wanted to study mine of

1155
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:44,000
course my brain and see what they could

1156
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,359
find and

1157
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,079
they got an mri scan of it and it it

1158
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,440
doesn't show it shows just normal

1159
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,599
except for one thing

1160
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,160
all of the wiring between the two brain

1161
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,160
areas is completely unique in the

1162
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,000
experience of these doctors they've

1163
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:01,839
never seen anyone wear it together like

1164
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:05,119
that and i've often wondered

1165
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,079
if

1166
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,800
that what went into my head that night

1167
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:10,560
changed my brain

1168
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,800
and it literally made me able to do this

1169
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:16,960
more to interface with them maybe they

1170
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,200
gave you some sort of upgrade they had

1171
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,920
seen my interest and therefore they

1172
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,920
decided to

1173
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:24,640
to

1174
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:30,160
with them that's just one theory but i

1175
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,630
more scans of close encounter witnesses

1176
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,560
because some of the others have been

1177
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:41,119
found to have very very dense white

1178
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,720
matter between the two brain areas

1179
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,760
and

1180
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,520
so there's something going on there

1181
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,800
definitely that's the thing that's the

1182
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,640
part of this kind of phenomenon that

1183
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,040
fascinates me when we can show

1184
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,880
scientifically like these people that

1185
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:57,280
are having these experiences have market

1186
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:04,230
it's very exciting and you know we have

1187
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:05,440
uh

1188
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,960
we'll eventually find someone who has

1189
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:11,280
an uh mri

1190
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,839
from

1191
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,040
earlier and

1192
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,280
an mri from now

1193
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:18,800
who has this

1194
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,520
unusual brain brain structure and we can

1195
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,599
find out then for sure

1196
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,280
whether or not it's something that they

1197
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,040
started with or

1198
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,599
something that came into them later if

1199
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,440
they were altered

1200
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,760
and that would be a big plus if we knew

1201
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:36,319
that because then we would also know

1202
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:41,670
whoever's doing this

1203
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,800
must be looking for people

1204
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,760
perhaps because of dna signatures of

1205
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,240
some kind

1206
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,720
so interesting and and i also wanted to

1207
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,160
ask you

1208
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,240
during the lens of time do you have a

1209
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,040
better sense of first of all why are

1210
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,160
they contacting people or what what is

1211
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,160
their purpose in contacting people and

1212
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,880
also i had a question from uh

1213
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,599
from emmett from ufo brothers that was

1214
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,839
already on my list and he wanted to know

1215
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,480
what's with the aliens and the dancing

1216
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,560
that was a question from emmett

1217
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:19,200
what's with the aliens and the dancing

1218
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:20,559
or was that

1219
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,640
film you know there's a scene where uh

1220
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,119
oh that's totally film

1221
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:29,040
okay so they didn't they weren't dancing

1222
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,480
with you and

1223
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,400
they did not dance with me

1224
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,520
no okay

1225
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,359
there was no dancing

1226
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,800
okay but the

1227
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,160
first part of the question is do you

1228
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,480
have a sense of wha what what is the

1229
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,400
purpose like

1230
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,839
one of the things that

1231
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,040
makes me go

1232
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,119
why would you go if they are aliens

1233
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,520
let's say why would you go

1234
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,720
light years

1235
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,760
and then

1236
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,720
have

1237
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,559
contact with the intelligent beings on

1238
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,640
another planet and

1239
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,040
it just you know what is the purpose of

1240
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,240
of this contact did you find any reason

1241
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,000
or do you find any

1242
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,680
you know

1243
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:06,400
some

1244
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,040
why they would be contacting you

1245
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,280
did they want something from you do they

1246
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,920
want to uh educate you to go educate

1247
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,400
other people about their existence

1248
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,480
what could it be well i think that's

1249
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,440
part of it uh they i think that

1250
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,720
there there is an enormous gulf between

1251
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:27,599
us

1252
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:31,520
like one of the officers who was at

1253
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,119
right field not my uncle uh held

1254
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,280
one of the bodies

1255
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,880
and

1256
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:42,640
his description of it was that it was

1257
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:45,680
like a gigantic insect like a big insect

1258
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:53,430
not

1259
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,200
at all

1260
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,839
and i so assumed that they were

1261
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,760
dissected

1262
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,319
i don't think the alien autopsy film

1263
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,319
reflects it certainly doesn't reflect

1264
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,000
what i heard

1265
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:09,760
in my family

1266
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,760
uh so and i knew nothing about the

1267
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,520
family connection to it until after i

1268
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,760
wrote communion and my uncle

1269
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,359
called me down to his

1270
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,760
a place in texas and said listen we need

1271
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,880
to talk

1272
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,440
and um he told me what

1273
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:29,359
he had he knew and

1274
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,240
general exon ardex and also

1275
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,599
who was his friend

1276
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,440
told me a lot and i based my whole book

1277
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,359
majestic on this

1278
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,559
so um

1279
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:40,480
that's one of the iconic scenes from the

1280
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,280
movie to the insectoids yeah well see

1281
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:45,040
there was there's something and you know

1282
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,480
if you read uh

1283
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,119
uh jacques vale's

1284
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:52,000
new book of trinity

1285
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,599
it talks about

1286
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,359
insect-like

1287
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,760
looking beings and that that is a big

1288
00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,359
meme in the whole close encounter

1289
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,800
experience uh it is um

1290
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,599
uh that there's something about that

1291
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,920
that's there that's real

1292
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,680
so

1293
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,520
if you look at that

1294
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:13,760
you think to yourself maybe

1295
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,880
they're an evolution like

1296
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,440
ants or bees

1297
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,640
and they have a communal mind

1298
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:25,440
but then you get to know them

1299
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,359
and they have a tremendous individuality

1300
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:31,680
and highly developed emotion

1301
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:34,160
they're very emotionally intense

1302
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:35,119
people

1303
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,400
and yet

1304
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,559
they do seem to have a completely

1305
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,319
communal

1306
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,319
mind i mean it's very strange because

1307
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,359
that you you're with peop these beings

1308
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,640
who project a real sense of into

1309
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,640
individuality just like we do there's

1310
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,119
some sort of hive mind above that right

1311
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,359
but beyond that there exactly there's

1312
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,920
this huge mind

1313
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,760
and

1314
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,880
it

1315
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,400
we're not going to be able to fig we're

1316
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,920
not going to be able to communicate very

1317
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,480
well at all ever i don't think

1318
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,480
because it's just we're just too

1319
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,680
different

1320
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,680
yeah it's like trying to talk to a roach

1321
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,240
right if we tried to go yeah right we're

1322
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,880
trying to talk to a genius bee or

1323
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,839
something

1324
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,240
yeah and i also wanted to ask you about

1325
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,800
what is your opinion of it seems to me

1326
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,440
that your experiences there's different

1327
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,680
sort of beings you've got these sort of

1328
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,280
midgets with the big heads they're not

1329
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,280
the typical gray but then you also did

1330
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:33,680
have the typical gray

1331
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:34,480
uh

1332
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,400
gray alien sort of interactions and and

1333
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,960
others right human-like entities

1334
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:42,559
more human

1335
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,319
um

1336
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,960
well did you get a sense that this this

1337
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:51,680
this racist purpose is this and this

1338
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,559
race was not all this or no

1339
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,480
no it's not that simple

1340
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,040
i mean if we went to another world

1341
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,960
we would have thousands of different

1342
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,640
purposes and many of them would be in

1343
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,800
conflict with each other

1344
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,079
just because of the way we are and

1345
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:08,400
that's the same thing here it's it's

1346
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,200
very

1347
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:12,160
my sense of the grays especially

1348
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,599
is that they're they're quite

1349
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,040
territorial

1350
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,520
like if the cabin it's

1351
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:18,960
one

1352
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,720
and here in santa monica it's different

1353
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:25,920
they're different they have a different

1354
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,480
approach and an entirely different

1355
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:30,000
way of

1356
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,359
doing things

1357
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,680
so they're obviously different

1358
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,160
uh and yet when i've seen the ones here

1359
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:37,760
which is only a couple of times very

1360
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,559
briefly they do appear to have that same

1361
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,920
form

1362
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,200
um

1363
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,760
but i've also seen these tall blonde

1364
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,680
people and

1365
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,520
uh

1366
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:54,390
they you know none of them i wouldn't

1367
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,280
say

1368
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,960
we could describe any of them as playing

1369
00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:58,800
what we would think of as a with a full

1370
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,640
deck and the blonde people are

1371
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:04,079
are

1372
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,440
ah

1373
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,720
they're just

1374
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,640
you're not gonna get anywhere trying to

1375
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,720
understand what they are and yet at the

1376
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:12,480
same time

1377
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:13,680
they can

1378
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,400
really

1379
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:17,520
interface and interact

1380
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,559
very

1381
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,599
fully

1382
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,599
if they want to

1383
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,680
but you can't get into them the grades

1384
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:25,520
are somehow more

1385
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:27,760
approachable and they have a more

1386
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,319
similar kind of emotional

1387
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,000
makeup

1388
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:34,240
sauce they get mad and

1389
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,040
they have a sense of humor and you know

1390
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,960
the blonde people are

1391
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:41,280
very strange they're very beautiful in

1392
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,800
fact

1393
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:44,640
give you an idea of how intense it can

1394
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:45,920
be

1395
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,800
we were at a hotel in um

1396
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,000
in

1397
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,240
san francisco me and my son and my wife

1398
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,680
once

1399
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,119
and

1400
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,510
i was meditating in the living room

1401
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,520
at about probably about one o'clock in

1402
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,720
the morning

1403
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,040
and suddenly this woman was standing in

1404
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:08,800
front of me

1405
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:12,319
and i have never experienced

1406
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,440
such a sense of goodness

1407
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:16,640
before

1408
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:17,680
it was

1409
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,319
unbelievable

1410
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,599
it was like

1411
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,280
if you can imagine

1412
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:26,240
goodness is a field not just a state of

1413
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,839
mind but a field like a an energy field

1414
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:32,079
and you felt this coming off of her oh

1415
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:35,200
yeah and my soul just popped out of my

1416
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:36,160
body

1417
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,960
and

1418
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,280
she looked down at my soul

1419
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,000
and she was obviously embarrassed that

1420
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,240
you know i i felt such a like an idiot i

1421
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,880
was just so abject i i couldn't believe

1422
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:47,599
it

1423
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:50,799
the feeling was so intense

1424
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,079
and then she disappeared and my son

1425
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,400
comes running in out of the one of the

1426
00:55:03,270 --> 00:54:59,520
bedrooms and says daddy daddy there's a

1427
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,280
big silver hero outside my window

1428
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,160
and so i jump up and i run in and it's

1429
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,960
gone and she's gone

1430
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,960
and that's the blondes that's what they

1431
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,680
are

1432
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,319
that's bizarre come on you know what

1433
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,839
where time is running short i do

1434
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,599
appreciate you giving us this time and i

1435
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,440
don't want to try to roll over the time

1436
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:22,319
that you know thank you but i do i do

1437
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,520
have uh

1438
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,280
have to i wouldn't be doing my job if i

1439
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,599
didn't ask you about this angelis story

1440
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,960
because i covered it from the very

1441
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,240
beginning and

1442
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,240
and it sort of came crashing down and

1443
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,319
she was involving you claiming that you

1444
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:36,880
were brokering some deal oh no that was

1445
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,839
all all of this stuff yes so

1446
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,079
i just wanted to ask you what

1447
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,079
what's your take on her you've been i've

1448
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,680
heard you've talked you're true and

1449
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,400
obviously you had some trouble uh yeah

1450
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,720
one or two shows where i've blown up on

1451
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,880
people and it's it's not a podcaster's

1452
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,799
job it's not something i was proud of

1453
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,280
i'm not i'm not gonna i'm not gonna say

1454
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:59,760
shame on you because i've done it myself

1455
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,760
thank you for that yeah it was a mistake

1456
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:03,280
but you know what i learned i learned

1457
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,960
from mistakes i will never ever again

1458
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,880
pop off like that on a guest yeah

1459
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:10,640
because i agree it was just not the

1460
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,799
right thing to do it was just a lot

1461
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,119
it was a year of this building up in me

1462
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,280
and her i felt that she was manipulating

1463
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,960
me the whole time and then the story

1464
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,000
came

1465
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,480
so i interviewed her on my show but i

1466
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,280
waited until after december the 21st

1467
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:27,119
because i was rather certain nothing

1468
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:28,839
would happen

1469
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:32,000
yeah i was absolutely certain nothing

1470
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:33,200
would happen

1471
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,079
um

1472
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,559
and but at the same time

1473
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,799
i checked out her curriculum vitae and

1474
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,960
it's real and she has got a very

1475
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,720
distinguished career in intelligence

1476
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:45,119
work that's what shocked me and made me

1477
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,640
interesting therefore you know

1478
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,720
something's going on here

1479
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:50,559
that that's that's

1480
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,520
that is

1481
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,000
typical of this experience

1482
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,480
it doesn't make sense

1483
00:57:02,470 --> 00:56:58,880
and yet there it is i mean here this

1484
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,480
person with this distinguished career

1485
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,400
goes out to the desert

1486
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:05,920
blows

1487
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,000
grass or gets high or doesn't or

1488
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:09,839
whatever happens

1489
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,079
she suddenly goes home jumps in her car

1490
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,480
and drives to washington because she's

1491
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,319
afraid to fly

1492
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,160
and goes and tries to have a press

1493
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,920
conference on the

1494
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:24,240
steps of the lincoln memorial to

1495
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,680
announce that she's going to take a

1496
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,000
group of scientists into a cave in the

1497
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:29,680
mojave desert

1498
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,480
to

1499
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,960
meet aliens and when i saw that press

1500
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,960
conference i thought to myself there's

1501
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:36,799
only one country in the world where this

1502
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,079
can happen it's here this is very scary

1503
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:41,760
yeah for sure

1504
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,799
and

1505
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,960
only in america so

1506
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,799
i thought well i'll get in touch with

1507
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,200
her and i eventually did that

1508
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:50,640
and uh

1509
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,119
i you know i i was i'm not a i'm not a

1510
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,720
um

1511
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:58,079
you know i've been through too much

1512
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,200
myself

1513
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,839
to come down on people to judge her yeah

1514
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,680
i don't understand the people who do i

1515
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,440
mean because you know she makes a big

1516
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,880
claim like that and then it doesn't

1517
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:09,119
happen and of course people come down on

1518
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:10,240
her

1519
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,040
but

1520
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,799
when i interviewed her i tried to

1521
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,240
explore

1522
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,319
what was behind it

1523
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,640
you know what in the world would possess

1524
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,400
her to do that

1525
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,559
even if she was crazy

1526
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,040
and i mean it's certifiably crazy but

1527
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:26,960
she could be

1528
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:29,440
this is not the first choice

1529
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:32,000
in terms of announcing my crazy to the

1530
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:33,040
world

1531
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,720
you might you know do something more

1532
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,280
conventional and less bizarre than that

1533
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,559
or less dramatic i thought right but

1534
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,319
if there is something

1535
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,640
manipulating her

1536
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,799
on some level

1537
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:49,200
just maybe that something wants to send

1538
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,559
a message to

1539
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,559
put up a trial balloon with the

1540
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,319
intelligence community

1541
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:55,760
by

1542
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:58,400
placing a distinguished intelligence

1543
00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:59,440
officer

1544
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,240
in a situation like that that community

1545
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,640
could not fail to notice especially her

1546
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,150
absolutely not fail to notice it

1547
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,440
and did it

1548
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,440
therefore

1549
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:15,520
were they also looking at the minds of

1550
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,040
these people to see how they would react

1551
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,640
if

1552
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,480
there really was going to be a meeting

1553
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,400
in other words was it a trial balloon of

1554
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,319
some bizarre sort

1555
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,640
yeah i mean i could possibly

1556
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,400
i don't know but i was fascinated by the

1557
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,480
whole ex by the whole thing and uh

1558
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,160
unfortunately we finally get to this

1559
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:36,559
person uh wayne was his real name is

1560
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:39,200
brian and and there's no tunnel there's

1561
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:41,920
no corroboration to her story from the

1562
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,160
other people that were there i've spoken

1563
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,319
to him and his wife and they both just

1564
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,880
want out of the story they don't want to

1565
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,799
you know they don't want their lives

1566
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,559
broadcast on the internet

1567
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,480
yeah yeah

1568
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,720
it's the last thing they want and but

1569
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,960
you know i've this has happened many

1570
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,720
times over the whole

1571
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:02,480
course of this this

1572
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:05,359
this adventure of contact

1573
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:07,359
uh and uh

1574
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:08,319
uh

1575
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,760
she's a

1576
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,240
she's struck me as a very sweet person

1577
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,400
and she's got a

1578
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,720
a very good mind and

1579
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:18,799
why this happened to her and she did

1580
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,440
this i don't think we'll ever know

1581
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,240
yeah i'm with you on that yeah

1582
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,920
there's a lot of people in the live chat

1583
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:28,319
that are asking if you're having ongoing

1584
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:30,799
continuing experiences oh yes we should

1585
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,240
end it on that because we all know

1586
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,400
this is my life this is just normal for

1587
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,799
you now like you talk to aliens and i

1588
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,240
don't talk to aliens i don't know who i

1589
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,079
talk to but i talk to him a fair amount

1590
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,640
they i have experiences in this this

1591
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,720
apartment my friends call this apartment

1592
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,440
the unquiet flat because

1593
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:51,040
anyone who's in here for any length of

1594
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,119
time is gonna be sniffed out by the

1595
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,160
visitors for sure whatever's there and

1596
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,799
i'm i'm used to it i just live with it i

1597
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,799
i meditate with them at three o'clock

1598
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,160
every morning

1599
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,480
i and and one o'clock in the afternoon

1600
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:06,400
and eleven o'clock at night

1601
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:08,799
and uh if i don't the three o'clock one

1602
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,599
is there is a really important one

1603
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,680
and uh

1604
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:15,119
the uh

1605
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:16,960
uh

1606
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:22,799
that's the that that's the time

1607
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,599
in one of the yo there's a yoga

1608
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,319
belief that in india it's called brahma

1609
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:30,880
maherta time the time of about an hour

1610
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,440
and a half or so before sunrise when the

1611
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:36,079
mind is most open to learning

1612
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:36,960
and i

1613
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:39,040
i that's the time of day i use the

1614
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,960
implant and uh

1615
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,960
i've written

1616
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:45,200
three books and i'm working on a fourth

1617
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,400
this way

1618
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,400
and you think the implant gives you some

1619
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:50,480
sort of connection to these yeah

1620
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:53,119
absolutely it's not it's not mysterious

1621
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,000
it opens up a slit and that you can see

1622
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:58,319
if you look against a white surface in

1623
01:02:02,789 --> 01:01:59,599
in in

1624
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,799
my eye and uh you can see words rushing

1625
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,000
past

1626
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,480
and it's been explained to me by some

1627
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:08,880
people not by aliens it was put in by

1628
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,240
people after all how that works is it it

1629
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,160
it can find

1630
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:17,039
things in my unconscious

1631
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,000
and

1632
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,000
put them into this into the

1633
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:22,319
mid-conscious in other words not into

1634
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:23,920
consciousness with because that wouldn't

1635
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:26,960
work but just below consciousness and ex

1636
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,680
expand my whole conceptual process

1637
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:31,920
tremendously and do you think this is a

1638
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:34,160
did you think this is a machine or is it

1639
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:36,799
a mystical thing or it's a it's a it's a

1640
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,920
device absolutely it has a signal even

1641
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,839
the signal's been detected

1642
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:43,599
but the unfortunately that part of it is

1643
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,440
classified and uh

1644
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:47,520
because i know it's classified

1645
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:49,280
i'm in the legal position of not being

1646
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:50,799
able to talk about it

1647
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:53,760
but uh the thing is very crazy

1648
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,720
but

1649
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,559
don't you i mean see the things like

1650
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,960
when i hear stories like that and like

1651
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,960
if you've ever heard the story of of the

1652
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,200
aurora ufo crash and there may be an

1653
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:05,839
alien body buried right there

1654
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:08,000
that stuff to me is so tantalizing i

1655
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:09,839
want to go get a shovel and prove if

1656
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:12,000
that alien is better than nobody ever

1657
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:13,920
and in your case i'm not going to go get

1658
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,920
a scalpel and try to cut that thing out

1659
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:17,920
of you but part of me wants to so that

1660
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:20,240
we can examine it see what it is what it

1661
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:21,680
was

1662
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,440
no i would never do that but i mean

1663
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,280
that's what i think though that what's

1664
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:27,440
so tantalizing that you may have the

1665
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,000
absolute proof of alien visitors or

1666
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,920
interdimensional beings with high

1667
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:34,000
technology sitting right there in your

1668
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,280
ear for me i would want i would want to

1669
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,280
study that thing and and would put in

1670
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,119
but offer that as proof

1671
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,359
let's put it in my people maybe like a

1672
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:45,119
my lab situation

1673
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,559
not maybe uh i'm i'm not sure they were

1674
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,400
they were not people

1675
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:52,319
who were living by the same rules we

1676
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,440
live

1677
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,599
by and they were not i don't think they

1678
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,039
they were

1679
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,880
some kind of deep state people or

1680
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,839
anything

1681
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,400
and it was many many years before i

1682
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:04,160
learned how to use it

1683
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,119
and

1684
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,880
i don't want to it's too we can talk

1685
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:08,880
another time about it yeah i'm sorry

1686
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,119
we're we're just about out of time

1687
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:12,960
not a

1688
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:17,680
it belongs to us

1689
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,799
but whether it belongs

1690
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,119
to the living or the dead or

1691
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:25,359
people who live between the worlds

1692
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:26,720
i don't know

1693
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:29,680
but i do know this that um

1694
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,160
it's a valuable tool it is not a mind

1695
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:34,000
control device

1696
01:04:37,349 --> 01:04:35,839
my mind's always been completely out of

1697
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:37,359
control

1698
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:39,760
that is not changed in any way well

1699
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,760
you're an incredibly creative person to

1700
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,680
have written so many amazing stories i

1701
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:45,920
mean i grew up with the hunger and and

1702
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:48,720
you know wolfen those those were great

1703
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,109
yeah have you gotten back to writing a

1704
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:55,440
lot more fiction or or mostly we're not

1705
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:56,480
just writing

1706
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:59,119
right

1707
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:59,839
well

1708
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:01,839
no i'm not writing about my experiences

1709
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,760
anymore because i there are various

1710
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,240
reasons that that's pat in the past

1711
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,079
i'm actually working now about a book

1712
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,240
about the character of the of the

1713
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:12,960
phenomenon of the greys and so forth

1714
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,440
uh and i'm going to publish that in the

1715
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,280
hopefully in the summer

1716
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,839
and i'm going to come out with a

1717
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:22,240
audio book of communions

1718
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:25,760
in may and a new edition of it with uh a

1719
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,920
new introduction that discusses where

1720
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,280
i've been since

1721
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,920
awesome like an updated version right

1722
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,839
yeah yeah

1723
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,359
well i hope you'll come back here to

1724
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:37,200
promote it i'm gonna thank you so much

1725
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:40,160
this has been a real pleasure for me uh

1726
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,160
i've been connected to you in some weird

1727
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,240
way my whole life either through movies

1728
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:47,039
i enjoyed or your book i couldn't put it

1729
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,039
down when i first got it i carried it

1730
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:51,119
with me and my backpack back and forth

1731
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:52,640
to school and i would read it and the

1732
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:54,960
other kids would borrow it from me

1733
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,039
um so just a pleasure to have you here i

1734
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:59,039
hope that you will come back again mr

1735
01:06:01,829 --> 01:06:00,079
strieber

1736
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:01,839
the book was there to

1737
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:04,799
initiate contact and it did it worked

1738
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,920
very well

1739
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,599
despite the fact that the visitors

1740
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:09,039
laughed at it and thought it was a bunch

1741
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,960
of not told me that anyway they thought

1742
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,880
it was a bunch of nonsense

1743
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,319
they were book critics that's

1744
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,160
interesting not book critics they're

1745
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,559
bastards

1746
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:20,799
well what a way to write reviews is all

1747
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:22,799
i can say what a way to end the

1748
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:25,200
interview so i'm gonna i'm gonna wish

1749
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:27,119
you a good evening and i hope that you

1750
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:28,559
don't be a stranger you're always

1751
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,280
welcome here thank you for having me

1752
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:33,119
thank you mr streeper

1753
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:35,200
oh great so what can i say friends uh

1754
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:37,359
tonight i is one of those nights where i

1755
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,359
got to use this webcam and this

1756
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:41,680
microphone as a portal to an amazing and

1757
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,559
interesting individual uh and i'll

1758
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,400
always remember this because i really

1759
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:48,559
did grow up loving that

1760
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,280
hunger movie with david bowie and the

1761
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,119
wolfen movie was one of my favorites

1762
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:55,280
growing up i got the books later the

1763
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:56,880
books are better than the movies by the

1764
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:57,680
way

1765
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,240
um so what else can i say friends uh

1766
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:02,079
successful evening i want to thank all

1767
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:03,920
of you guys for showing up i want to

1768
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:06,079
thank each and every one of you kind and

1769
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:09,599
generous benefactors and uh what else

1770
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,599
can i say i'm always happy when there's

1771
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:13,280
an audience glad that you could come

1772
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,599
here tonight and be a part of mine until

1773
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,280
next time friends my name is steven

1774
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:19,359
cambion good night and god bless all of

1775
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:32,710
[Music]

1776
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:04,420
so

1777
01:08:17,730 --> 01:08:16,000
[Music]

1778
01:08:42,090 --> 01:08:17,740
so

1779
01:08:43,450 --> 01:08:42,100
[Music]

1780
01:09:30,070 --> 01:08:43,460
[Applause]